[5NL] KQo, OOP, river decision.

Definitely leading flop. Couple of reasons

1) I lead these types of flops quite frequently because these board are cbet a way smaller frequency and they nail my range pretty hard.

2) We want it to go bet, fish call, reg action. This ties the regs hands and he's pretty much forced to put in a huge raise w/ everything that crushes us and he pretty much can never raise a draw because there's a fish in the pot and getting 3b at this point would be horrible for him.

Instead of check, fish check, reg action. Now even if we had a monster here and we c/r. The fish ends up putting 0 money in the pot a huge amount of the time. If we have a draw we end up c/ring and same result or fish actually tags along and now reg just ships it in because loldeadmoney and last thing is we c/c and hope it goes 3way which isn't that bad of a result and probably happens pretty frequently.

If button is the fish then we are a little more happy to check, let reg cbet and we get to see the fishes action v a bet before it gets back to us. You guys need to think more about relative position etc.

I'd just bet/f the river like 65c. People are stations and we have the best possible 2pair out of a huge number of combos of 2pairs this guy could have.

Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

2) We want it to go bet, fish call, reg action. This ties the regs hands and he's pretty much forced to put in a huge raise w/ everything that crushes us and he pretty much can never raise a draw because there's a fish in the pot and getting 3b at this point would be horrible for him.

Instead of check, fish check, reg action. Now even if we had a monster here and we c/r. The fish ends up putting 0 money in the pot a huge amount of the time. If we have a draw we end up c/ring and same result or fish actually tags along and now reg just ships it in because loldeadmoney and last thing is we c/c and hope it goes 3way which isn't that bad of a result and probably happens pretty frequently.

thanks for this. i always used to (and i'm sure i still will whenever i play) overlook the strategic implications of relative positions.

Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

Definitely leading flop. Couple of reasons

1) I lead these types of flops quite frequently because these board are cbet a way smaller frequency and they nail my range pretty hard.

2) We want it to go bet, fish call, reg action. This ties the regs hands and he's pretty much forced to put in a huge raise w/ everything that crushes us and he pretty much can never raise a draw because there's a fish in the pot and getting 3b at this point would be horrible for him.

Instead of check, fish check, reg action. Now even if we had a monster here and we c/r. The fish ends up putting 0 money in the pot a huge amount of the time. If we have a draw we end up c/ring and same result or fish actually tags along and now reg just ships it in because loldeadmoney and last thing is we c/c and hope it goes 3way which isn't that bad of a result and probably happens pretty frequently.

If button is the fish then we are a little more happy to check, let reg cbet and we get to see the fishes action v a bet before it gets back to us. You guys need to think more about relative position etc.

I'd just bet/f the river like 65c. People are stations and we have the best possible 2pair out of a huge number of combos of 2pairs this guy could have.

Interesting. I was going to lead the flop as well but decided at last minute not to as it was a pretty wet board. I wasn't sure what I would do if raised although now it seems pretty obvious that it's an easy fold. I don't think about relative position when I am at the table either, something else I will have to work on.